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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

Ok so i just bought my jeep less than 24 hours ago and im ready to go a little bigger. It came with a 4" procomp susp. lift and 31s.. looks decent but im used to 35s like my old wrangler.. so I have a few questions..

-whats a good company that makes a 2" body lift or does it even matter who makes it?

-what else will i need to keep the jeep running healthy with the 4 inch susp. lift and 2" body(sye?)

I really like the way it comes out with the 4" susp. lift and 2" body

here is one of my favorite local jeeps running the same setup

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

hmmm, I'm not a fan of a body lift higher than 1", but that's just me....you could do the JKS 1.25" body lift and then your 35's should fit I'm thinking....

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

A 2" body lift starts to create issues like needing longer hoses. It seems most people go with the 1.25" lift.

And I hope your're not still paying 2.59 for gas like in the picture.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

haha no, this is a picture of someone with the 2" body lift... and a 1" will do the job but if i could get away with 2 then why not..

ok so far the bad is longer hoses.. i can deal with that.. anything else.. im ready to buy a sye if thats needed just let me know what i need to get..

thank for the input

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

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haha no, this is a picture of someone with the 2" body lift... and a 1" will do the job but if i could get away with 2 then why not..

ok so far the bad is longer hoses.. i can deal with that.. anything else.. im ready to buy a sye if thats needed just let me know what i need to get..

thank for the input

another negative to a taller body lift is it's more likely the bolt will shear when in extreme off camber situations, or if you're in an accident IMHO, anything over an inch is just silly and asking for trouble. besides for the tire size you want, a 2" BL isn't neccessary if you've got 4" springs. go 1" for more clearance and the option to do a belly up. get a MML to go with the BL too. SYE and new rear driveshat would also me a good idea. i assume it has a t-case drop on it now?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

i'm running a 4" suspension lift, 1" BL, 1" MML, 35" tires and i have no issues. i ended up buying Nth Degree adjustable rear control arms to help with the vibes. i drive my jeep almost everyday and have no issues. also offroad i haven't noticed no rubbing.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

awesome, thanks for the advice.. and yeha i have the tranfer case drop.. ill go snap some pics since i havent shown it off yet.. wahoo.. i love my yeep

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

nerual13 wrote:
hmmm, I'm not a fan of a body lift higher than 1", but that's just me....you could do the JKS 1.25" body lift and then your 35's should fit I'm thinking....

It should fit nice and neat with that, and its enough you can run a falt belly skid, and do a MML to get ride of the TC drop that was spoken about.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

It takes an extreme impact to dismount the body. Most people here probably have never ever seen it happen and are just repeating what someone else told them and so on... if you want to see the impact that it takes to move the body an inch with a 3" body lift go to a junk yard. Not one bolt is sheared off... they are all bent.... but normally the Jeep is shorter by at least a foot because of the extreme collision. So in actuality... the body lift is your least worry. More people loose tires because of the lack of common sense.

(There is also a TJ over near the stainglass place over in Chantilly on your way to the Pepsi place that has EXTREME damage, but the body is only tweaked to the left about a quater of an inch.

You could also put in a 2" Budget boost ontop of your springs, body trimming.
Good luck to you and have fun with the new toy.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

HarvinJeep wrote:
nerual13 wrote:
hmmm, I'm not a fan of a body lift higher than 1", but that's just me....you could do the JKS 1.25" body lift and then your 35's should fit I'm thinking....

It should fit nice and neat with that, and its enough you can run a falt belly skid, and do a MML to get ride of the TC drop that was spoken about.

hmmm, kinda like mine?! Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

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...I'm running a 4" suspension lift, 1" BL, 1" MML, 35" tires and I have no issues...

I agree with LilItaly that with a 5" lift and the proper wheel/tire combo you should be able to run 35's comfortably. The extra inch or two from a taller BL would just raise your COG unnecessarily. Since you shouldn't be going any bigger than those 35's your wanting without upgrading the axles, the extra height you'll gain is moot.

Personally, if it were me, for starters I would flat fender it and trim the rear (maybe even comp cut but keep it street legal), remove the T/C drop and install a SYE. You're also gonna have to re-gear to recoup some of that loss power.

I love this look, but with built in flares to keep it street legal. She'd also need side markers.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

OK... so instead of body lifts i have been reading into the coil spacers and i really like this idea a lot better. What is the best kit to go with and also

what do you think about these.. out of my price range but still seemed pretty cool..
www.4wd.com/productdet...id=5572550

but yeah what 2" coil spacer is good?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

The ACOS were developed by ORGS. I believe JKS sells them now and others, like Rusty's, have their own versions. But, like you said, they're a bit pricey. They offer around 1.5-2 inches of lift with the option of fine-tuning them up to 3-3.5 inches if needed with the addition of bumpers, winches, cages, etc. I wouldn't go that high though. I ran a set in my 96 XJ. Never experienced any problems and they looked pretty trick back then.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

Ok, this is for someone who said bodylifts dont sheer off. When i was 17 (im 22 now) i bought a 88 yota truck with a 3 inch body lift, and 33 BFG ATs on it. One day i was driving in the snow to work. a huge hardbody worktruck was parked in the road. I tried to stop, but my tires locked up and i rearended him. I was only doin about 25-35, but my bodylift sheered off and sent the front half of my truck into a 45 degree pitch and it stayed there. So the accident wouldnt have been so bad to me,, but the extra force of the body coming off the frame and going into the air cuased my airbags not to deploy. And i wound up with 30 stiches in my head, and fractured 3rd lower lumbar in my back (a broken back). i was bed ridden for 3 weeks. I still have a huge scar on my forehead, and my backs aches constantly still also. I will never touch another vehicle with anything more than 1 inch of body lift. And i suggest no one else do it either, unless you like alot of pain (oh and by the way the yota was totatled)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

heavyMETALjeeper wrote:
Ok, this is for someone who said bodylifts dont sheer off. When i was 17 (im 22 now) i bought a 88 yota truck with a 3 inch body lift, and 33 BFG ATs on it. One day i was driving in the snow to work. a huge hardbody worktruck was parked in the road. I tried to stop, but my tires locked up and i rearended him. I was only doin about 25-35, but my bodylift sheered off and sent the front half of my truck into a 45 degree pitch and it stayed there. So the accident wouldnt have been so bad to me,, but the extra force of the body coming off the frame and going into the air cuased my airbags not to deploy. And i wound up with 30 stiches in my head, and fractured 3rd lower lumbar in my back (a broken back). i was bed ridden for 3 weeks. I still have a huge scar on my forehead, and my backs aches constantly still also. I will never touch another vehicle with anything more than 1 inch of body lift. And i suggest no one else do it either, unless you like alot of pain (oh and by the way the yota was totatled)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

heavyMETALjeeper wrote:
Ok, this is for someone who said bodylifts dont sheer off. When i was 17 (im 22 now) i bought a 88 yota truck with a 3 inch body lift, and 33 BFG ATs on it. One day i was driving in the snow to work. a huge hardbody worktruck was parked in the road. I tried to stop, but my tires locked up and i rearended him. I was only doin about 25-35, but my bodylift sheered off and sent the front half of my truck into a 45 degree pitch and it stayed there. So the accident wouldnt have been so bad to me,, but the extra force of the body coming off the frame and going into the air cuased my airbags not to deploy. And i wound up with 30 stiches in my head, and fractured 3rd lower lumbar in my back (a broken back). i was bed ridden for 3 weeks. I still have a huge scar on my forehead, and my backs aches constantly still also. I will never touch another vehicle with anything more than 1 inch of body lift. And i suggest no one else do it either, unless you like alot of pain (oh and by the way the yota was totatled)

Most tummy tucks won't fit unless you do a BBL over 1 inch. None require more than 2 inches.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

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LilItaly wrote:
...I'm running a 4" suspension lift, 1" BL, 1" MML, 35" tires and I have no issues...

I agree with LilItaly that with a 5" lift and the proper wheel/tire combo you should be able to run 35's comfortably. The extra inch or two from a taller BL would just raise your COG unnecessarily. Since you shouldn't be going any bigger than those 35's your wanting without upgrading the axles, the extra height you'll gain is moot.

It is not the suspension lift or BBL that raises your Center Of Gravity... Its the bigger tires you stuff under the vehicle.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

ToBlave wrote:
fdezone wrote:
LilItaly wrote:
...I'm running a 4" suspension lift, 1" BL, 1" MML, 35" tires and I have no issues...

I agree with LilItaly that with a 5" lift and the proper wheel/tire combo you should be able to run 35's comfortably. The extra inch or two from a taller BL would just raise your COG unnecessarily. Since you shouldn't be going any bigger than those 35's your wanting without upgrading the axles, the extra height you'll gain is moot.

It is not the suspension lift or BBL that raises your Center Of Gravity... Its the bigger tires you stuff under the vehicle.
A suspension lift does raise your COG. Anything that is sprung weight goes higher.

However, I would rather have a disease named after me than run a 3" body lift. I does nothing to help your articulation like a suspension lift. You have to relocate your tcase shifter, your stick shift won't be where it's supposed to be, your fan won't line up with your radiator.

IMHO nothing more than 1" of BL with a MML which will let you tummy tuck. Anymore is for mall crawling, not rock crawling.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Going bigger.. Reply with quote

MDJeepThing wrote:
ToBlave wrote:
fdezone wrote:
LilItaly wrote:
...I'm running a 4" suspension lift, 1" BL, 1" MML, 35" tires and I have no issues...

I agree with LilItaly that with a 5" lift and the proper wheel/tire combo you should be able to run 35's comfortably. The extra inch or two from a taller BL would just raise your COG unnecessarily. Since you shouldn't be going any bigger than those 35's your wanting without upgrading the axles, the extra height you'll gain is moot.

It is not the suspension lift or BBL that raises your Center Of Gravity... Its the bigger tires you stuff under the vehicle.
A suspension lift does raise your COG. Anything that is sprung weight goes higher.

However, I would rather have a disease named after me than run a 3" body lift. I does nothing to help your articulation like a suspension lift. You have to relocate your tcase shifter, your stick shift won't be where it's supposed to be, your fan won't line up with your radiator.

IMHO nothing more than 1" of BL with a MML which will let you tummy tuck. Anymore is for mall crawling, not rock crawling.

How many people you see driving around in a lifted jeep with their stock tires still attached? *que circus music*

Tires give you the true lift, the suspension and body lifts are to be able to stuff larger tires. Body lifts... depends on what I am doing with my Jeep. For down South mud bugging or beach running... body lift, even 3 inches is reasonable to stuff larger tires. For rock crawling, probably not the best choice. Got to love America, not everyone is the same and they all do not live and play in the same area.

Two words: Compression and Droop. All suspension lifts sacrifice Compression to achieve Droop.

Motor Mount Lifts (MML) cause an equal engine oiling problem due to the engine being canted toward the rear. Tummy tuck helps to lesses the engine cant problem.

Radiator fan: what happens to the fan clutch in deep water? I suggest electric (Ford Tauras mod) with a switch to turn them on and off as obsticals occure. Negates your need to line the engine fan up the the readiator when doing a BBL, MML, and or T-Case lift.

Lesson to be learned is that there are pros and cons to vehicle mods and most people are willing to vouch for the pros while neglecting to acknowledge the cons. How hard is it to replace a u-joint in a Tom Woods (cardigan joint) driveshaft verses the stock non-SYE?

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